Triad Pairs on Guitar: From Two Triads to a Musical Line
By Daniel Weiss · Published · Updated
A triad pair is two triads played over one chord. Pick the pair for the color it adds, then arpeggiate one triad and the other to make a line.
What a triad pair is: hear A minor and F minor
Daniel’s first pair is A minor and F minor, played over an A minor chord. Press play, then try the other two pairs.
A minor triad, circles: A (string 4, fret 7); C (string 3, fret 5); E (string 2, fret 5); A (string 1, fret 5); C (string 1, fret 8). F minor triad, squares: Ab (string 4, fret 6); C (string 3, fret 5); F (string 2, fret 6); Ab (string 1, fret 4); C (string 1, fret 8). Shared by both: C (a circle inside a square).
C major triad, circles: G (string 4, fret 5); C (string 3, fret 5); E (string 2, fret 5); G (string 2, fret 8); C (string 1, fret 8). F# major triad, squares: F# (string 4, fret 4); A# (string 4, fret 8); C# (string 3, fret 6); F# (string 2, fret 7); A# (string 1, fret 6). Shared by both: none.
C major triad, circles: G (string 4, fret 5); C (string 3, fret 5); E (string 2, fret 5); G (string 2, fret 8); C (string 1, fret 8). D major triad, squares: F# (string 4, fret 4); A (string 4, fret 7); D (string 3, fret 7); F# (string 2, fret 7); A (string 1, fret 5). Shared by both: none.
Play this. Over an A minor chord or an open A string, play the A minor arpeggio, then the F minor arpeggio, using the notes in the chart. Listen for the major 7 sound Daniel hears when the F minor triad arrives: it comes from the Ab.
The chart is computed from standard tuning. Circles are the first triad, squares the second, and a circle inside a square is a note both triads share.
| Pair | Over | Notes | Shared | Count |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| A minor + F minor | A minor | A C E F Ab | C | 5 |
| C + F# | C major 7 | C C# E F# G A# | none | 6 |
| C + D | C major 7 | C D E F# G A | none | 6 |
“Think about like two stations of harmony superimposed over one chord.”
Daniel Weiss, from the video above (2:25). Auto-captions, punctuation added, one “um” dropped.
Why a pair, when you have the pentatonic scale
Triad pairs are one more sound he reaches for “beside the pentatonic scale” (0:33). In his previous video the aim was the same:
“getting out of that kind of like the box”
Daniel Weiss, from the video above (0:53), about the methods in his previous video. Auto-captions, punctuation added.
With A minor pentatonic under your fingers, he adds A minor and F minor (1:12). The scale has A, C, D, E and G. The F minor triad brings two notes it lacks, F and Ab. The third note, C, is already there.
Choose the pair by what it adds
A minor and F minor, over A minor
The chord underneath is A minor. In his Spooky Triad Arpeggios lesson it is an A minor 9: “this nice A minor nine chord” (0:35).
Over A, the F minor triad spells b6, major 7 and b3. The Ab is the major 7, written G# in A minor.
“that’s cool because with F minor you get this major 7 sound”
Daniel Weiss, from the video above (1:15)
Together the two triads hold five notes: A C E F Ab. Not a seven-note scale.
One caution, computed: the Ab sits a half step above G, the 7th of an A minor 9 chord, so it rubs against that note. Over a plain A minor triad there is no G, so the rub disappears.
To get the same sound over another minor chord, keep the distance. Computed: the second minor triad’s root is a major 3rd below the chord’s root. Over D minor that is Bb minor, and the Bb minor triad’s Db (C#) is the major 7 of D.
In the other lesson he hears it this way: “we’re already getting this kind of like a haunted house vibe” (0:25).
C and F sharp, over C major 7
Next he moves to a major chord: “let’s take for example C major seven” (3:12). The pair is C and F sharp.
“C to F sharp is a tritone, superimposing it on the C major seven chord”
Daniel Weiss, from the video above (3:43)
He names the roots only. This page reads both as major triads, C E G and F# A# C#, as the original page did.
The C triad sits inside the chord. The F# triad is the outside color: against C it is the #11, a b7 (A# = Bb) and a b9 (C# = Db). The A# also sits a half step under the chord’s B.
His summary: “cooler sounds of out and in” (3:49). Six different notes, none shared.
C and D, the Lydian pair
Lydian triad pairs are a computed extra on this page, not a pair from the video above. The D major triad over C holds the 9, #11 and 13. With C E G it makes C D E F# G A: C Lydian without its B.
In his five secret chords lesson, in C Lydian, Daniel says you can play “a triad that is diatonic to Lydian” (0:56). That is the kind of triad D major is here.
Hear the full Lydian sound, and when it fits, on the Lydian lesson.
| Pair | Notes, with their place over the chord |
|---|---|
| A minor + F minor | A 1, C b3, E 5, F b6, Ab major 7 |
| C + F# | C 1, E 3, G 5, F# #11, A# (= Bb) b7, C# (= Db) b9 |
| C + D | C 1, E 3, G 5, D 9, F# #11, A 13 |
Count the notes before you trust a pair
Two triads hold six notes at most. If they share a note, five. No pair covers a seven-note scale.
Before you use a pair, check three things: the chord underneath, what each new note is against it (the table above), and the note you will land on.
Turn the pair into a line
Daniel’s order is simple: one triad, then the other.
“now you start arpeggiating them”
Daniel Weiss, from the video above (1:30)
At 1:49 he adds the nine to the arpeggio. He does not name the note, so this page leaves it out.
In his Spooky Triad Arpeggios lesson he plays the same pair over A minor and spells out the shape of the line:
“A minor arpeggio starting from the five and then coming back reversing that F minor triad”
Daniel Weiss, from his YouTube lesson “SPOOKY TRIAD ARPEGGIOS” (1:52). Auto-captions, punctuation added.
He comes “back at A” (3:41), back to A minor. The line below ends on the note A and follows that order. The notes and frets are computed, so it is not a transcription of what he plays.
1: E (A minor), string 2, fret 5; 2: A (A minor), string 1, fret 5; 3: C (A minor), string 1, fret 8; 4: Ab (F minor), string 1, fret 4; 5: F (F minor), string 2, fret 6; 6: C (F minor), string 3, fret 5; 7: Ab (F minor), string 4, fret 6; 8: A (A minor), string 4, fret 7
e|---5--8--4--------------| B|5-----------6-----------| G|---------------5--------| D|------------------6--7--| A|------------------------| E|------------------------|
Play this. Over an A minor chord or an open A string, play the tab slowly and evenly. Listen for the Ab at the end of the F minor part, and the half step up into A.
Download the printable chart (PDF) (opens in a new tab)
Land the line back on A
In the Spooky lesson his line comes back to A minor: “back at A” (3:41). This line does the same, a half step up from the Ab.
It is one choice, not a rule: in the first video he also plays A minor to F minor and stops there (3:05).
Moving triads on the diminished scale
His third example is over G7, with the half step, whole step scale (5:18).
“on the diminished scale you can move in minor thirds”
Daniel Weiss, from the video above (5:03)
Computed: that scale is G Ab Bb B Db D E F, and the major triads on G, Bb, Db and E all sit inside it. Those four roots are a minor third apart.
The scale has its own lesson: the diminished scale on guitar.
Practice it
- Play the A minor arpeggio, then the F minor arpeggio, over an A minor chord. Listen for the Ab when you reach it.
- Play the tab above, slowly, and land back on A each time.
- Switch the chord to C major 7. Play C, then F sharp, and listen for the in, then the out.
Where to go next
Triads come first: learn your triads on every string set, and the major triads in particular.
To put triads inside a solo, go to how to use triads in guitar solos. The pentatonic scale he starts from is on the pentatonic scale lesson.
Frequently asked questions
- What are triad pairs?
- Two triads played over one chord. You arpeggiate one, then the other, so the line carries the notes of both.
- Which triad pair works over an A minor chord?
- A minor and F minor, Daniel’s first example. Over A, the F minor triad brings F, Ab (the major 7) and C, which is shared.
- Which triad pair works over C major 7?
- Daniel names C and F sharp, a tritone apart. C is inside the chord; F# major adds the #11, a b7 (A# = Bb) and a b9 (C# = Db) against it (computed).
- What are Lydian triad pairs?
- Two major triads a whole step apart that both sit in a Lydian scale. In C Lydian, C major and D major hold C D E F# G A. The B is left out (computed).
- Does a triad pair cover a whole scale?
- No. Two triads hold six notes at most, and five when they share one. A minor and F minor share C, so they hold five.
- Can triad pairs be used on the diminished scale?
- Daniel says that on the diminished scale you can move in minor thirds. Over G7 with the half step, whole step scale, the major triads on G, Bb, Db and E all sit inside it (computed).